Here's one anecdote I heard from a trusted source on the subject of growth. A student who had a perfect score last year on the math portion of ISTEP will cause their school to get "dinged" because you can't improve upon a perfect score, and therefore, cannot show growth. There seems to be a real problem with high-performing students, remaining high-performing, but sinking their schools' scores due to the lack of "growth."
Glenda Ritz's credibility has been undermined at every turn. There is such animosity that it appears there is little allowance for actually listening with an objective ear.
Robert, those issues of growth problems have been well documented for several years.
Doug, I think what's going on in Indianapolis right now seems to be less about what is best for students and more about how to best handle what looks like a political disaster. There's a high-stakes blame game going on, and unfortunately, kids are stuck in the middle.
Frederick, I wish I could explain the amount of anxiety that teachers of ISTEP grades experience. Parents hold them accountable for how their children do on that test AND the rest of the school depends on them for their school's grade, which in turn is supposed to affect the evaluation of all teachers.
Dr. Lus, again what are we going to see when ISTEP testing begins?
Do you see this as a time for the State Board of Education to get a group of educators together to decide what to test for, and how to do it? And how often should children be tested? I'm asking this of everyone in this chat, not just Tony Lux.
Carmen, it depends on what is ultimately decided on with regards to test length and how many items are actually pilot items detracting from the items that actually count. Teachers will do everything possible to minimize test anxiety. However, ultimately, unless the State lowers cut scores for school grades, we can expect a major decline in passing percentages.
Doesn't the practice test start in a couple of weeks? Will it be shortened?
Frederick, when some students become frustrated, they often do what they want just to get done. However, over recent years, overall ISTEP results have steadily increased reaching historic highs in student passing.
I vote for State Superintendent
Nancy, it really comes down to Republican legislators listening to their constituencies rather than party line marching orders.
As Frederick points out, parents must become more vocal and committed, as well as those who actually voted for Ritz and who support public education. Public opinion has obviously pushed some buttons with the Governor over the length of ISTEP
There's a lot of talk about dysfunction in state education policy. Today, we saw Gov. Pence announce his executive order to shorten the test without even consulting with the Department of Education or Superintendent Ritz. Perhaps another good question is whether the state superintendent of public instruction should be elected or appointed by the governor.
Dr. Lux, with all of the politics going on do you think the state board will withhold school and corporation grades especially if ISTEP scores fall due to these issues with the test?
I vote for Elected because it gives the public the opportunity to evaluate the educational credentials and platform of the candidates.
There is a State "opt-out" for parents. However, as much as it would make a political statement, I don't think whole sale action of this kind is warranted at this time.
Would the opt out hurt the school?
Does elected or appointed really matter if the legislature is removing the superintendent's powers and responsibilities and what will happen if there is a republican elected stated education leader, just throwing that out for discussion.
Without out a doubt, a school could be harmed by opt out. If most of the students were high achievers, then passing percentages would plummet.
And opting out would hurt the teacher, too, right?
The notion of appointed would mean that the governor would have a superintendent of his or her choosing, and so would be working in concert on education policy. It would also make education policy likely a much larger part of any governor's campaign.
Carmen, Tony Bennet ran on Mitch Daniels platform. Their policies were so distasteful that the general public voted him out and Rtiz in....this is why Republicans are so incensed ... their demeaning of teachers and public schools has been rejected by the public...so they want to eliminate dissent...this is not what a Democratic society is built on...